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Guess what? My matriarchy-with-magic-water story now has a plot! Well, two plots, actually, and I'm hoping I can bring them around to being interrelated. There's some detective type stuff going on, but there's an overarching plot that might best be summed up as "lol ur succession!" I'm trying to decide on names for the main character's mentor and for the members of equivalent to the royal family (and also decide which ones really are trying to kill each other and which ones are just misunderstood).



I'm just going to let everyone who's interested know right at the outset that I understand why some readers might be put off by how much the cultures I'm depicting glorify motherhood and teaching/mentoring/nurturing. (Well, it's mostly one culture for this story, but the main character's mother immigrated from a different country, and I have a bit of backstory that involves her culture, plus there might be foreign travel in the main character's future. Most of the cultures there are like this to some extent.) But I have my own reasons for choosing to set things up this way, the most important being that I don't want to give the impression that the world in the story is any worse than ours. Mammalian reproductive biology being what it is, and attitudes toward adult men being what they are in the secondary world, sex selective infanticide would be really, really common if it weren't for widespread belief in the sacredness of childrearing and caregiving even when the child is a boy. Sex selective infanticide in the opposite direction has occurred and continues to occur in IRL, but I don't think most people are aware of just how common it used to be. If I did go the route of making motherhood not that big a deal in the secondary world and let it be fairly normal for characters to decide they just can't be bothered with surplus males, I'd end up with a situation that is, objectively, no worse for boys than RL history is for girls but that looks a lot worse to the casual reader.

So instead, I went with a world where every child a woman has increases her status. Of course, upper class women don't do that much direct caregiving (they still get credit for other women's work, though-- it's called privilege for a reason), and most hope to have more girls than boys because girls are expected to grow up to have additional achievements that increase mama's status even more while the best that's expected of most boys is marrying well. And there are many ways for a woman who can't or doesn't have children of her own to raise her status and her mother's, but not so many for a man. In this world, women without children do often feel not quite good enough even if they do have lots of other achievements, and women with children often feel really stressed and tired because they're expected to be good mothers and heads of families and have outside achievements as well and basically do and have and run everything. As for men, well, a family of five sons and no daughters might not be considered terribly sad, but it's considered sub-optimal, especially if it happens to a hereditary ruler. Because patriarchy hurts men too, but not as badly as it hurts women, and matriarchy hurts women too, but not as badly as it hurts men.

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Date: 2010-10-02 10:35 pm (UTC)
darkauthor26: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkauthor26
This world sounds delicious. I love the thought being put into it. Other than that, I don't really have much to say, but if this book is published, I will definitely read it.

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Date: 2010-10-03 01:27 am (UTC)
fulselden: Katara (When Ocean waue shall open euery Realme)
From: [personal profile] fulselden
Matriarchy-with-magic-water - yesss! And this glimpse into the thinking behind it is fascinating - I must admit I think I probably fit under the rubric of 'people who'd underestimate the prevalance of past sex selective infanticide'. Though, mind you, I guess it's something that must have varied fairly widely throughout history and across cultures (she says, stating the obvious...). It's something I should really educate myself about - any interesting links/recs on the subject?

And, wow, I love the idea of convoluted royal-succession shenanigans going on under this model. At least illegitimacy would possibly be rather less of an issue?
Edited (language, sigh) Date: 2010-10-03 01:31 am (UTC)

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Date: 2010-10-03 08:41 pm (UTC)
fulselden: Katara (When Ocean waue shall open euery Realme)
From: [personal profile] fulselden
Thank you! Though, I mean, don't fret if nothing comes directly to hand - I was really just being lazy... And, yep, I certainly had no real idea about its prevalence in Rome (Greece, I did know about) - that's much more shocking than it should be, somehow.

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Date: 2010-10-03 03:12 pm (UTC)
lady_ganesh: A Clue card featuring Miss Scarlett. (tea)
From: [personal profile] lady_ganesh
Interesting!

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Date: 2010-10-03 08:46 pm (UTC)
fulselden: Katara (When Ocean waue shall open euery Realme)
From: [personal profile] fulselden
Heh! Lol ur succession indeed! That's fascinating - especially the scholar making a bid for rulership on the basis of his heart and stomach of a woman, so to speak.

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Date: 2010-10-05 08:50 pm (UTC)
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I like this idea too. It fills me with thinky thoughts.

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